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Olatunde & Adeleke - Ireland's New Athletes ... Thread starter Catapulta Start date Aug 16, 2022 More threads by Catapulta Well-known member May 12, 2020 Aug 16, 2022 What a performance! Here's hoping he can do us all even more proud down the road.... Deus Patria Familia redmonite, Dorcha and Telstar 62 Well-known member May 28, 2013 Aug 17, 2022 His name is Israel. Well-known member Oct 16, 2012 Aug 17, 2022 recedite said: Well done to him, its a good result. If you want to win big at the 100m sprint, you need West African DNA. If you want to climb Mt. Everest without oxygen, you need Sherpa DNA. It is what it is. Click to expand... ... and for rapidly crossing a bog, we are skilled at selecting which tussock to step on next. OK, so a lot of ye are out of practice. But it's... innate. Some day soon a scientist will write a paper on "Tussock selection in bog traversal on a northwest european island, as practised by homo sapiens hibernensis." We foot it all the night, weaving olden dances Mingling hands and mingling glances Till the moon has taken flight; Blokesbloke, galteeman, petaljam and 5 others Socratus O' Pericles Well-known member Oct 12, 2009 Aug 18, 2022 This lad is from Dundalk, they're good at running up there...they had to be able to get away fast! ...the Maga movement was originally thought to be anchored in the “left-behinds”, but not any more. It is a broad coalition of rich, poor and those in the middle – all angry and gunning for somebody, something or someplace to attack, denigrate and blame. seenitallb4, milipod and McTell Well-known member Dec 8, 2009 Aug 18, 2022 recedite said: Congratulations to Rhasidat Adeleke, the fastest Irishwoman of all time (over 400m) This lass hails from the jungles of Tallaght. Rhasidat Adeleke breaks national record to finish fifth in European 400m final | BreakingNews.ie The 19-year old Tallaght woman, running in lane one and, by her own admission, still learning to compete at this distance, had brought the fifth fastest PB to the field of eight lining up at the Olympiastadion in Bavaria. www.breakingnews.ie Click to expand... She was brilliant. I loved her confidence and disappointment at not getting a medal. She's 19 and if she can keep it up she's got a great future. I wish her the best! It's hard to cast a shadow when you're lying in a box-room. The Scratch Benroe, McTell, Dorcha and 6 others Well-known member May 12, 2020 Aug 18, 2022 And this Lady did us Proud too: Deus Patria Familia Lord Deputy Well-known member Sep 7, 2013 Aug 18, 2022 Deleted member 61928 Aug 18, 2022 Always like to see athletes born here and who want to wear the jersey do well.As opposed to the Alastair Cragg and Leon Reid selections, or the footballers you suspect would have preferred to play for England but settled for Ireland. Deleted member 51025 Aug 18, 2022 Brendan78 said: Always like to see athletes born here and who want to wear the jersey do well.As opposed to the Alastair Cragg and Leon Reid selections, or the footballers you suspect would have preferred to play for England but settled for Ireland. Click to expand... What bigoted, parochial minded nonsense. All bigotry is based upon suspicion of course. I've been following the Irish international team for more than half a century, from the days when Manchester-born Shay Brennan became the first non Irish born player to represent the Republic of Ireland. I haven't seen a so called "plastic" yet who didn't give his all for Ireland. It's not at all surprising that Declan Rice or Jack Grealish had mixed loyalties (and dual choices) and chose the more promising international team. Football is a career for these young men, but more often than not a short one. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence and an eye to the future would do what they did. Deleted member 61928 Aug 18, 2022 raetsel said: What bigoted, parochial minded nonsense. All bigotry is based upon suspicion of course. I've been following the Irish international team for more than half a century, from the days when Manchester-born Shay Brennan became the first non Irish born player to represent the Republic of Ireland. I haven't seen a so called "plastic" yet who didn't give his all for Ireland. It's not at all surprising that Declan Rice or Jack Grealish had mixed loyalties (and dual choices) and chose the more promising international team. Football is a career for these young men, but more often than not a short one. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence and an eye to the future would do what they did. Click to expand... Now that's one incoherent mess of a post. First, I didn't say that they didn't give their all for Ireland, but that Ireland was their second choice.They are very different points. Second, you yourself accept this when you said it's not surprising that some played for England because it's the better team.Of course it is, I never suggested otherwise. Third, what has support for 50 years got to do with anything?If you supported Ireland all that time you'd know well that players like Terry Mancini and Andy Townsend grew up supporting England. It's ironic that you introduced the "plastic" reference. Deleted member 51025 Aug 19, 2022 Brendan78 said: Now that's one incoherent mess of a post. Click to expand... If my post was an incoherent mess how come you seem to have understood it so clearly? Brendan78 said: Second, you yourself accept this when you said it's not surprising that some played for England because it's the better team.Of course it is, I never suggested otherwise. Third, what has support for 50 years got to do with anything?If you supported Ireland all that time you'd know well that players like Terry Mancini and Andy Townsend grew up supporting England. Click to expand... As an open-minded supporter, I'd guess far more experience and knowledge than a prejudiced fool could ever garner. Brendan78 said: It's ironic that you introduced the "plastic" reference. Click to expand... No it's not, and a more perceptive poster would have noticed that it was wrapped with inverted commas for a reason. Brendan78 said: First, I didn't say that they didn't give their all for Ireland, but that Ireland was their second choice.They are very different points. Click to expand... No but you show preference for people born in Ireland. It is stupid and based upon nothing but stupid prejudice. You are actually an indirect echo of the infamous Norman Tebbit "cricket test" comment from 1990, when he questioned the loyalty of British born Asians. Who are you to question the commitment to the cause of any player entitled to play for Ireland. Why on earth would you choose to discriminate against non Irish born players on the basis of suspicions (i.e. prejudices) rather than pick the best players, irrespective of where they were born? Over to you.................................... Well-known member Jul 22, 2009 Aug 19, 2022 The argument that has quickly started up on the Irishness of who represents Ireland is merely reflective of the changing times. Its also interesting in that it presents a challenge to to the concept of Irishness and what that might might mean. It doesn't mean being white anymore that's for sure. It doesn't mean having Irish parents or descent either. Yet you can play for Ireland if you have Irish grandparents. In rugby you don't need to have any connection to Ireland at all you just have be here basically. It is an interesting time to think about what in actual fact is the Irish identity. Or any national identity and if it really means anything at all anymore. At this point it seems to me the only point remaining is having the craic in sport is it's last remaining value. I have always found national stereotypes and myths of national identities to be of little practical value when dealing with people in reality. In fact, it just gets in the way as a general rule rather than being of any value at all. You get on better with people and work better with people when you dump all that stuff. "Tree families can visit the family of a fort" - RTE News Reporter. Deleted member 61928 Aug 19, 2022 raetsel said: Who are you to question the commitment to the cause of any player entitled to play for Ireland. Why on earth would you choose to discriminate against non Irish born players on the basis of suspicions (i.e. prejudices) rather than pick the best players, irrespective of where they were born? Click to expand... You're ranting, throwing in lots of personal abuse like calling me a "prejudiced fool" and referring to "stupid prejudice".I note it was posted at 12.14 which might explain why you are getting so strident. Either way, you completely missed the point.I did not question the commitment of any player entitled to play for Ireland or discriminated against non Irish born players.Some, like David O'Leary, Paul McGrath and Kevin Kilbane were wholly committed to playing for Ireland.But others had little interest in playing for us beyond advancing their career. I'm referring to the subset who settled for Ireland when they could not play for their own country.And yes, I prefer Irish born to those mercenaries. Do you really think everyone that represented Ireland did so because it was their first choice?If so, we just differ. If you respond, try to do so civilly and cut out the abuse.Thanks. Deleted member 51025 Aug 19, 2022 Brendan78 said: You're ranting, throwing in lots of personal abuse like calling me a "prejudiced fool" and referring to "stupid prejudice".I note it was posted at 12.14 which might explain why you are getting so strident. Either way, you completely missed the point.I did not question the commitment of any player entitled to play for Ireland or discriminated against non Irish born players.Some, like David O'Leary, Paul McGrath and Kevin Kilbane were wholly committed to playing for Ireland.But others had little interest in playing for us beyond advancing their career. I'm referring to the subset who settled for Ireland when they could not play for their own country.And yes, I prefer Irish born to those mercenaries. Do you really think everyone that represented Ireland did so because it was their first choice?If so, we just differ. If you respond, try to do so civilly and cut out the abuse.Thanks. Click to expand... Hardly a rant and your snide inference is just another example of how easily you fall victim to lazy, unfounded suspicions. I'm simply calling out the presumption of someone who wants to exclude and show preference on the basis of suspicion alone, because it is a classic example of bigotry.I've never seen a single example of a non-Irish born player being accused of not giving their all for the team. That may be at least partly because of the way club football is structured, where it is the norm for players to play for more than one club over their careers, and adapt their loyalties as they move on. The golden era of Irish international football (1988-2002) could never have happened without the many ethnically Irish or part Irish players born elsewhere. It gave the nation an unprecedented sense of sporting pride at the time, which we haven't experienced since. Your nonsensical preference for Irish born players is also a rank display of ingratitude towards many of the players who made it a reality. Furthermore it is the apex of ignorance to single them out as "mercenaries", because by that token all professional footballers are. It's unfathomable to me why anyone would show a preference therefore for lesser players purely because of where they were born. If there was any logic to your preference for Irish born players you'd have explained it at this point, but of course there isn't, and you cannot without admitting that it is due to prejudice alone. Deleted member 61928 Aug 19, 2022 raetsel said: I'm simply calling out the presumption of someone who wants to exclude and show preference on the basis of suspicion alone, because it is a classic example of bigotry.I've never seen a single example of a non-Irish born player being accused of not giving their all for the team.... Click to expand... You still miss the point, or to be more accurate ascribe points I never made.I never said they didn't give their all.Cragg still holds national records even thought he never set foot in Ireland before declaring for us. You also avoided my question.Do you think all players who played for Ireland did so because it was their first choice?Terry Mancini had his infamous "I hope ours isn't as long" after the Irish anthem was played...he had never heard it before.Andy Townsend has spoken about supporting England before his call up.To say that all Irish players equally loved the Old Sod and always wanted to play for Ireland is just wrong. I prefer people who want to play for Ireland over those who declare to further their career.It's hardly a shocking or outrageous contention, it sounds like for all your talk about supporting Ireland you don't go to League of Ireland games when this opinion is very much the norm. Deleted member 51025 Aug 19, 2022 Brendan78 said: You still miss the point, or to be more accurate ascribe points I never made.I never said they didn't give their all.Cragg still holds national records even thought he never set foot in Ireland before declaring for us. You also avoided my question.Do you think all players who played for Ireland did so because it was their first choice?Terry Mancini had his infamous "I hope ours isn't as long" after the Irish anthem was played...he had never heard it before.Andy Townsend has spoken about supporting England before his call up.To say that all Irish players equally loved the Old Sod and always wanted to play for Ireland is just wrong. Click to expand... You're missing the point. What on earth does it matter whether or not their first choice was Ireland or not. For some players e.g. Aiden McGeady and Kevin Kilbane, Ireland was clearly their first choice. For others it wasn't. However it is irrelevant as long as they give total commitment on the pitch and all the evidence supports the contention that once they make the decision, they do. It doesn't matter at all that their motive may partly be for career advancement. It is indisputable that Ireland's golden period was made possible only with the inclusion of players born in Britain and elsewhere. It is completely illogical that anyone would forego the emotional highs of that era in favour of some sort of ethnic purity. It is clear by your inability to offer any logical argument for excluding players born overseas is based upon nothing other than your own prejudice. Brendan78 said: I prefer people who want to play for Ireland over those who declare to further their career.It's hardly a shocking or outrageous contention, Click to expand... It's just shockingly stupid. Brendan78 said: it sounds like for all your talk about supporting Ireland you don't go to League of Ireland games when this opinion is very much the norm. Click to expand... Oh look! A red herring? What an original way of deflecting from someone on the losing side of the argument....................................... Not that it matters but I support Derry City. However, as I live around an hour and 45 minutes drive away nowadays I don't get to see them very often. InsideImDancing Well-known member Apr 3, 2011 Aug 19, 2022 Dooting Stoop hype. Bin this revolting thread. Did ye aye, naw.. Deleted member 61928 Aug 19, 2022 raetsel said: For some players e.g. Aiden McGeady and Kevin Kilbane, Ireland was clearly their first choice. For others it wasn't. It's just shockingly stupid. Oh look! A red herring? What an original way of deflecting from someone on the losing side of the argument...... Click to expand... I'll overlook your difficulty posting without adding hysterical commentary and asides about stupidity and losing the argument, and deal with the first point. Although you didn't answer the question, clearly you accept that people declare for Ireland only because they settled for us when they didn't make the grade with another country.Which is what I've repeatedly said. I'd prefer people who want to represent Ireland to those who settle for us, you are entitled to say they are all the exact same, that Coleman and Kilbane are no different to Leon Reid.It's completely subjective.As I said, my position is echoed across every League of Ireland forum, it's not controversial, and is far more reserved than positions taken within the Irish camp itself, like during the O'Neill/Keane era. Well-known member Oct 16, 2012 Aug 19, 2022 Long ago I was asked in a job interview if I liked sport. I replied that I was once in a threesome, and came first. We foot it all the night, weaving olden dances Mingling hands and mingling glances Till the moon has taken flight; Telstar 62, Socratus O' Pericles, de valera's' giddy goat and 3 others Politics matters Well-known member Sep 16, 2012 Aug 19, 2022 Are his parents Nigerian? Wouldn't it have been better for him to represent his country of origin. Wouldn't it be better if the sporting authorities in this country and the government invested heavily in sports at grassroots level to improve Ireland's athletes instead of opening the floodgates at our borders, in the hope that some of their offspring are good at sport? Talk Back, Irishmammy and Lord Deputy You must log in or register to reply here. 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